All Linkin Park songs look the same

This reminds me of "This is how you remind me of someday." Basically the same thing, but with Nickelback.

NPR even did a report on it:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4258547

Very neat, good observations and a nice balanced post on it. You'd get more hits if you'd go "OMG LINKIN PARK IS A FRAUD" though.

The pattern actually reminds me of a lot of "grunge" hits. Smells Like Teen Spirit by Nirvana, Today by Smashing Pumpkins, etc. Quiet intro, hit hard with the chorus riff, ease off for the first verse and then build up as you go.

It became a cliche to songwriters but it's still very effective and I don't think non-songwriters consider it a cliche. Most don't really know what a verse and a chorus is, never mind if they're quiet or loud.

I need a little fescue seed
JUST ONE STEP CLOSER TO THE HEDGE, AND I'M ABOUT TO RAKE!
They need a little room to be
JUST ONE STEP CLOSER TO THE HEDGE, AND I'M ABOUT TO RAKE!

:-)

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

lp songs look like, but music is not about look, it's about sound, and not how hard it sounds but how it sounds!

This case has been made before and while it is viable, it applies to the majority of popular tracks and has done so for many years so why single out Linkin Park? The formula Linkin Park use is highly successful and very listenable - have a listen to the track "with you" off the Renimation cd (not the crap version from hybrid theory) for an alternative example of this format (I have uploaded a version for you to www.demasijones.com/27bstroke6/withyou.html if you dont have it). As the music is highly successful and brings many millions happiness, what is the point of breaking it down into an illustrated structure? As the tracks are in different keys anyway and the format does not take this into account (or the words etc) all you seem to have done is state the obvious (again). Interesting reading though. And on a side note, the new album minutes to midnight has broken this format for the most part and while I am a die hard linkin park fan, the new album is simply shit. Cheers, David

I completely agree. I've always believed that their songs sound the same, not just musically but lyrically they're all pretty similar as well. You made a lot of good points, and it's sad but true, but it seems that all anybody listens to is the repetitive bands such as Linkin Park.

Very interesting point. I do agree. The only album of theirs that i heard in full was hybrid theory and I liked the variety in that (though it's been a long time since i've listened to it)..though your formula at least rings true for any lp song you can find on the radio. I think it's why i'm bored of them now too easily.

Quite interesting, though it hasn't changed my liking for the band. Great live

"All Linkin Park songs sound the same"

I don't listen to Linkin Park, but i'm suprised to hear that they only have six songs.

shocking news.

Intro, kicker, verse, chorus - that's really unique, a pop band using that structure in most of their tunes. like totally.

I agree with this article completely, and if you find a formula that works, run with it. If it doesn't bug you as a writer, then it probably won't bug the listener. Besides, it's your music. If many songs sound the same to you but you like the songs, who cares? If you're still listening to it, you probably don't care either. This article just shows that what's on the radio is (usually) not what you should be listening to, anyway.

Interestingly, Kurt Cobain saw a similar pattern to his own songwriting, which was very pop-influenced. He loved a good hook, listen to most Nirvana songs, and you will hear a startlingly similar pattern. Kurt knew this was a big reason for the success of Nirvana. ('Kurt Cobain' by Sanford, 1995). It is also the sound of most big arena bands of the 70s, as I recall.

Wow, interesting. Thanks for placing this under the microscope.

Fuck the radio and fuck Linkin Park.

Never seen it that way but you sure are right about the similarity.

Linkin Park does not do music but then again that is nothing new to 99% of the population. Some groups you can readily identify by how they sound but at least most do some music.
That's one thing I always liked about Foreigner not only did their songs sound different but you could even easily understand the lyrics and their albums weren't a bunch of dogs with a good one or two thrown in.

Glad you pointed this out. The other day I overheard something on the radio or on TV about how Linkin Park's latest stuff is a "new direction" for them or something to that effect, then I heard a few of their new songs on the radio and I was just sitting there scratching my head thinking to myself, "Am I missing something?". It sounded like the exact same Linkin Park formula I've heard in anything else of theirs. Intro melody…usually a piano or something…loud, scream, ease off a bit, loud again, quiet again, fade out. Ah well, I'm sure Linkin Park is crying all the way to the bank….

Sorry, as much I would like to diss Linkin Park…
Main point is why it it supposed that the song structure should be different? I often compare music with contemporary painting: often the artists have their own vision and stick to that. And I don'tthink the visual image of sound is very good argument to describe the songs in general. Songs can be very similar in their structure in one record and that is not good argument to sort them as bad because of that. Sorry my english. And I'm drunk as hell. Linkin park sucks mostly but your argument is even worse.

any one do this w. that shit of a band everclear ???
its everclear that ALL their songs are
THE ,the and teh same !!!!

LINKIN PARK SUCKS LOL NUFF SAID

That was probably true up to Minutes to Midnight, which is hardly formulaic. Still, most artists have very similar songs, and use verse-chorus song structures anyway.

Who the fuck cares. If you like the music listen to it, if you don't…then don't. It's really a simple concept, you fucking bitch ass whiners.

I don't argue that a lot of Linkin Parks songs have the same arrangement but the melodies, harmonies, riff etc. vary from song to song, and this style of arrangement i usually only hear consistently from Lincoln. I by no means have heard everything band that has music to offer but i genuinely enjoy LP's music. Thats the style they chosen to distinguish themselves and it has worked for them. I listened to the NPR cast about nickelback and yes the sounds were almost identical. However they didn't remind me of linkin park or weezer or any other band, and thats the thing as long each individual bands is only imitating itself (thats not so much an imitation but a unique style that makes them, them) it shouldn't really bother anyone. When bands start impersonating each other thats when you shouldn't have a gripe.

If you want to argue that there is no originality to band that always sounds the same be my guest, but thats purely an opinion standpoint. I think one can sound the same but still be innovative.

you know, i think i know what this is called, lets see, what was it…?\

oh yeah, its called NU-METAL MORONS! the same shit happens in every single pop-song. intro-stanza-stanza-chorus-stanza-chorus-end.

The vast majority of pop rock bands use a similar formula and only slightly stray from it per album.

I think the problem with LP (as with many bands in their genre) is that the formula is noticed at all. The reason this happens is because the guitars, the drums, the singing guys vox and the rapping guys overly white faux rap do in fact sound almost identical, regardless of key or lyrics changes. That’s what first causes listeners to say “boy every song sounds the same, not the formula” for as someone mentioned the majority of casual listeners don’t know an intro from an outro or a bridge from an interlude, but they know when simpler components of a song (instruments, vox, etc) sound the same.

its the rock formula. most songs are like this. try to analyze more appriciated artists - u'll discover the same

I agree with Your Reaper……it's not much of a big deal. It's JUST music. Not gonna affect our lives in anyway…only the music makers. It's their choice, & they have fans. Let it be.

Many bands are like this. If your looking for something more abstract & no cookie cutter songs, check out Tool, & to a slightly lesser degree APC. Oh & Sherr, if the music isn't affecting your life maybe your not a true music lover. I'm not saying your a jackass or anything, just that it matters less to you.

jesus ppl dissing Linkin Park there fucking brilliant like and so what if they have the same pattern it basically means if one of there songs is good then all of them are.
LP rock!!!!

We've all been running around the same fucking bush since Johannes Kepler figured out what a major cord was. Turns out he figured out the frequencies from calculating the speeds of the planets in orbit around the sun.

I'm not making this shit up.

Bach and Beethoven did it all. Period. Everyone else is playing in the puddles of their foot prints. So yeah, intro, kicker, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, break, verse, chorus, outro. Feel free to throw in an "extended jam" if it makes you feel better.

It's better than those god damned hippy jam bands that play songs 25 minutes to long. Like I have the attention span for that anyway.

I hate hippies.

I am a hippie jam band dude who likes to play songs for at least 25-30 minutes, each.

They usually go something like this: intro, kicker, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, break, verse, chorus, outro. Feel free to throw in an “extended jam”.

The “extended jam” usually comes before the outro or before the final chorus and outro.

I think it can be summed up by Alan, with these words: "so what if they have the same pattern it basically means if one of there songs is good then all of them are."

That really says it all. snort.

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People seem to be getting awfully offended by this. The author was quite unbiased and fair. You can't deny it, it's true that the songs are structured the same, and it's also true that pretty much all pop musicians' songs are structured the same or very similarly, and whether you think that's a good or a bad thing is your own opinion; he's giving you the option to choose for yourself.

It's also true that unless you have a hit formula like this, it's incredibly difficult nowadays to get REALLY famous. If you look a little deeper you can find hundreds of undiscovered bands that don't follow a formula, that have a wide range of chord progressions, great instrumental and vocal talent, and frankly sound wicked awesome, but they hardly get played on the radio, and that's why.

Formula is universally appealing; even music school geeks can't help but find it catchy and fun to listen to. But it takes a more dedicated person to appreciate stuff that strays from the pop music path.

For curiosity's sake, check out any of a variety of Rob Crow bands: Pinback, Optiganally Yours, Heavy Vegetable, or Goblin Cock; or try Dalek or M.I.A. if you're into rap and hip hop; Dr. Dog, Humanwine, Mindless Self Indulgence, Scout Niblett, The Instruments, The Music Tapes–some manage to develop avid cult-like followings but none could be called universally appealing. If you're into pop music you probably won't like any of them. But it gives you a perspective on what else is out there, and what other kinds of things you can do with a band.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1765596

fuck linkin park

I agree with your article. A good strategy to consider for songwriters aiming at mainstream success. I love bands like this because they can write a number one hit with little to no skill. Throw in a few catchy hooks, kick it up, tame it down. It's very effective today with majority of the population suffering from bi-polar disorder. I'm not much of a linkin park fan but can tolerate their mundane music. Kurt Cobain will alway remain my hero because of the abstractions he would utilize in his expression. It doesn't always have to be an allegro composition to be good. But ofcourse my all time favorite is Pink Floyd which had a hand in my love for the seattle movement.

wow, alot of stupid people here.

it's not only insulting to musicians who love rock music , it's insulting to the fans.
It's obviously an exec room gimmick .
linkin park are a joke.

Loved the article. Yes, it doesn't surprise me that the waveform for their songs are pretty much the same. I bet if you checked out Nirvana songs they'd look similar also.

-William
www.sugarattack.com

Finally someone took one step closer to the edge and played Linkin Park out.

I have been wanting to start a group called "RRALP" which stands for Real Rockers against Linkin Park"

It is a true fact that all of us have bands that we listen to that are not the social norm or can be considered embarassing, such as Scorpions or 311, but Linkin Park, c'mon.

The only people that really listen to them and buy their so-call albums are young kids that don't have much a sense of good music and are just young and other people that have bad taste in music.

If you or anyone you know, listens to Linkin park, go home or to their home, get their CDs and burn 'em, you will be doing alot of people a favor.

Wait. . . on second thought, don't do that, we need a band to help measure the severity of bad music, so lets leave them around and laugh at them. Haha Hahaha

Yup… Linkin Park has joined the group of so many bands featuring songs that sound the same, just because the first one was good. "Helmet", anyone? They must be in the lead for reciprocating music.

If you think Linkin Park songs look the same… go take a look at Beatles' songs. It's no surprise.
There's a formula for writing hit singles. And all bands use it.

Hah, good observation, sadly I say such things, yet don't have the drive to actually seek out something like this.

Good article.

I guess you'll enjoy this related picture.

http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f340/ZeCanadian/?action=view&current=LinkinOrange.gif

Gypsie Poo. I mean like whatever like dude. You are so rad like whatever! The quiet loud quiet theory like has been around since the begining of time, Sibil Sheperd, and you are my friend a complete box of unmagical tricks, ya like whatever!

OH MY FUCKING GOD. POP MUSIC SOUNDS THE SAME? EH?

Yeah no shit. And it will never end.

I agree with the fact that most Linkin Park songs have striking similarities with their other tracks. I don't think that graphically illustrating this was necessary, because it simply takes the music out of it.
Sadly this is a very used scheme in the commercial music industry. If they strike gold, they keep the same tunes, themes and sound. Too bad there's no evolution. They all work by "If it works, don't fix it".

Wow, there really are a lot of uneducated people commenting on this. Anyone who responds "Why use the illustration?" comment is absolutely ridiculous. THAT IS THE POINT. Music changes keys, and riffs and has many other variables that will slightly change the composition, but anyone who knows anything about recording knows that it is also tracked visibly. And the illustration clearly demonstrates the most fundamentally unifying aspect of music: Its structure.

lp clearly use the same formula over and over again and frankly it is not at all interesting to listen to. If you can listen to one of their songs and have them figured out, to me what more is there to listen to? Furthermore, I have never met a person with good taste in music that is a fan of them.

I love that peopel are forgetting that lyrics also play a big role in why people like songs, I kinda figured out the formula by myself but to me the lyrics strike a chord with me and when I was a bigger fan they struck a chord just when I needed to here it.

Interesting article though.

i'm sure you would get similar results if you illustrated rap, punk, country, etc songs….look at all those terrible "hardcore" screamo bands…its all garbage and if drawn out like above it would look like one long line of loud garbage….country would prob look like a d*ck cause its real gay

dugg.

It's interesting…people have criticized Minutes to Midnight because it was different from Linkin Park's earlier stuff, but I think the new album, for the most part, completely gets rid of the formula you're going on about. Take songs like Bleed it Out and Leave out All the Rest for instance. Or In Pieces, or The Little Things Give you Away, or pretty much all the songs on the album with the exception of What I've Done.

The structure of the music although repetitive and boring is of very little importance to the fans. the OP is right on with the statement made about finding a niche that works and sticking to it. Most people don't have the mental capacity to notice these kinds of things. When you are talking about music even if you think its brand new it has been done before and you are just producing a variation on tempo and lyrics for the most part (at least if your music fits into a larger classification like pop music or even worse country).

But as has already been said LP is probably the BEST example of overuse of a single theme not only do their songs all sound the same with exception of the newer album they also provoke the same response from me: nausea.

I dont like LP or any other band that has that particular sound BECAUSE it sounds the same to me. Ozzy was original the Beatles were original Nirvana like it or not was the band that made grunge popular and the most stand out band of the genre even Metallica is easily distinguishable from other bands of their genre although they are almost as bad as LP for the repetition.

Simply put if your sound isn't different it isnt worth my time because I've already heard it.

I like how this article links the song structure to the economic structure of a corporation which of course is correct.

in the abstract you could say the corporation really has stamped the music.

Visually and acoustically.

very good article and remember people this is about being creative, although I must say the formula of contrast can be infinitely different also so contrast it's self is in no way being judged here.

also no, Nirvana songs don't all follow the same format they have a stamped style but it was more built around similar hooks Kurt saw this i think as a real thorn which is why in the end they moved towards the whole un-plugged thing (remember that , wow).with the meat puppets and such.
with the shift towards something like what the White stripes might do now.
who knows where it would have gone from there?
that's why i listen to music to see the development if it's not there then what's the point???? i.e the end of the original article comments.

Great article.

linkin park is the greatest band ever! just listen to the damn songs and shut the fuck up!!!

Huh?same sound?! linkin park is the most creative band ever.for this just I mean JUST listen to pushing me away and its REMIX p5hng me a*wy(reanimation or texas version).
yes its the same track and 90% same lyric but the difference will blow your head off.(u'll adore the remix!!)
and for those who never worked with some shit like graphical tempo: all genres have its same picture JUST try it!

hey i think most of the ppl here don know even a bit about LP
they do ROCK,RAP,PUNK,TECHNO,POP….
Which band i mean in all genres has the variety of linkin park?
for example in meteora (2nd album)we have some massive tracks like faint and dont stay and some different stuff like "breaking the habit" and "session"
and "nobodys listening"(with a japanese flute)so why there is no picture of them Huh? LOOSER

fuck linkin park you bitch ass crazy fans

hey i dont like linkin park i dont care about them .but for god sake just look at GOOGLE MUSIC TRENDS 6 of 20 top music is LINKIN PARK!!!!

minutes to midnite kinda strays from that formula, and what does linkin park get? a lot of hate from fans becoz they didnt make songs that sounded like the 2 earlier albums. what can they do huh?

Hahahahahahahahaha, hahaahahahaha! At this point in the comments, it's the only thing to say really, I mean, holy shit, hahahahaha!

Personally, i dont like the way they structure the songs. Everyone else does, so i dont have much of an impact. Its all structured the same, sure they may throw in a new key in the songs…but that leaves the meter to be the same for every single song. Idk about all of you, but 4/4 pattern gets quite old. Linkin Park is just a huge mainstream band to me, sure they sound nice, but it really is the same old thing

BULL****!!! Whoever wrote this artical doesnt know piss all about LP if you take any band you will find the same results… from the examples above they selected the Biased Information.. If you take any other band and try hard enough you WILL find the same results..

And so what take KoRn they always had and have the same style and i respect that.. linkin park never kept the same style only Hybrid Theory and Meteora have the same Genre..

I mean cmon how much do you know about these guys.. how many CDs do you think they have made.. 5? 6?… right?… wrong!! 14 CDs (at least)! [not including the bands Chesters (grey Daze) and Mikes(Xero) were in previous to LP or Mikes X-ecutioners]…

Give these Ledgends a F****** break -_-''

The comment earlier about metallica rehashing their same songs is correct, but at least they have the decency to name them Song Title 2 instead of trying to hide the fact that its a rehash.

This is pretty funny overall, and even more interesting when you look at the difference between the LP fans that commented and the rest of the people. Grammar much LP fans? "The song is like, totalalaly differnt cuz ther is a japeanisian flute in it!"

Ahh yes, the reality of the article was good enough, but the fans just MADE MY DAY. Thanks guys!

this could easily be done with the ramones or nirvana. I had no idead that Lincoln park only had 6 songs….amazing.

who cares if a band has a song structure that they like to use more than once?

LMFAO !!!!!!!

Linkin Park is not good music.

im not linkin park fan but whats wrong with having consistency??? everyones acting like its a conspiracy lol. If i had a band i would want to have some distinctive aspect that defines my band. If it was a copy of other bands that would be different. If every song sounded completely different who the hell would want to go buy an entire album for one or two songs that appeal to them?

you could do this to Beethoven and Tchaikovsky… quiet intro, heavy, quiet, build up, chorus, shake, tuck, and zip… quit being a hater. its the formula of a SONG. this complaint is like saying, 'why do we have to introduce ourselves upon meeting someone EVERYTIME???' its just what makes sense, so dont write yourself off to having conversations with new people because you note a suspicious thread of repetition.
here's a suggestion: vary the artists you listen to. tard. DAMMIT… you made me a hater!

Not only do they sound and look the same, but Jesus look at the clipping. Disgraceful sound engineering, which sadly is far too common with commercial albums these days.

Don't all songs have that structure? A commercial success doesn't mean they somehow cheated you…and you suck

> Don’t all songs have that structure?

Really, no, they don't.

Do you guys know what the difference between Nirvana and Linkin Park regarding this patten phenomena? Nirvana were basically the pioneers, while Linkin Park do recycle the patten for commercial use. I did once a work about "Smells Like Teen Spirit", which does has that patten as mentioned above, and researched the reasons why it was successful. Well, some people even claim that Nirvana invented the quite verse/loud chorus thing, as like it nobody ever did it before in music! Maybe it's an exaggeration, but one thing for sure, not all of Nirvana's songs are like that.

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Nirvana were the first to do this commercially, but they did it with more variation and better writing. But they said they ripped it off from The Pixies.

You know what, I have been a fan of Linkin Park for so long and really I am getting sick of people goin on about how crap Linkin Park is there is even a game of how to kill fucking Linkin Park. Man! people have no lives if all they do almost every fucking day is complain on how Linkin park are.

Its simple! if you dont like them or something on the lines of that than dont listen to them or even bother thinking about them. Only reason why people do this is because they have nothing better to do and all they do is whine about how bad Linkin Park are. If they're not you're taste in music fucking get over it. Linkin Park's song are not overplayed at all, alot of songs do that I dont understand WHY people instantly go oh yeaaah Linkin Park is so overrated for being played to much. Eh whatever… There are many bands and Singers are overrated as well.

So if you dont like their music or them listen to other music, I'm sure Linkin Park and other fans and genral people don't give a fuck about this.

I love Linkin Park and i admit they have songs alike…but what's the point?? what really matters is that their songs are very good!!
And the last album by them shows that their songs can sound VERY different of each other…GO LP!!!!!!!!!!! LINKIN PARK 4EVER….
p.s. LP haters: Go away!!!:x

Some people love LP, some people don't. It's not for everyone as everyone has different taste so where do you get off (you asshole up there) insulting people who like/love LP.

Liking a certain band has nothing to do with someone's intelligence or taste in music overall. It's just preference. Just like the fact that I love and appreciate LP as much as I do with Radiohead.

And why would you (the other idiot on here - Anyonewithhalfabrain) say anyone with half a brain wouldn't like LP or realise that they're music isn't good? You saying only mentally retarded people enjoy LP's music?

I don't prefer Nickleback but I don't go around saying people who do have hollow skulls. I just don't listen to it.

Stop being such a hater. You're a total loser for bagging other people out who don't share the same things as you. You are far from being better than LP fans.

I don't care that you hate LP, it's just when you attacked us fans for liking them. That's personal.

I hope LP stays around forever.

Props to "I made you a cookie but I eated it". Pretty much sums up everything I would say, except for one thing. Stop calling this pop. Pop is BSB, Britney Spears, etc. Pop culture means popular culture, but pop music does not mean popular music. Popular music is classified as "top 40″ in the music world. If someone says "I'm gonna go listen to some Kanye West," and someone replies with "Oh yeah, he has some good pop music," that someone will probably get killed =D Thanks for the cool remix of linkin park though, pretty tight. And try to spell Linkin Park correctly when you refer to them in your article trying (emphasis in the trying) to bash them. I love whoever said "ou could do this to Beethoven and Tchaikovsky… quiet intro, heavy, quiet, build up, chorus, shake, tuck, and zip… quit being a hater. its the formula of a SONG. this complaint is like saying, ‘why do we have to introduce ourselves upon meeting someone EVERYTIME???’" btw.

"oh my god right now they know what we've done"
"no people no give us a break we will make some new stuff"

FUCK OFF U HATERS
I think its the first GLITCH they have EVER found about linkin park(even though its ridiculous) huh?
search the whole WWWWWWWWW to find somethin wrong with LP if you find anything then IM an ASSHOLE

This is true mostly for their last two albums, not the early songs.

We all should be more worried about all of our hard work ending up on agression building mp3′s. The format that is killing real audio. We must stop supporting inferiour end playback formats. Also song contests water down the idea of being creative for creatives sake!

All Linkin Park songs look the same. Well, it really doesn't matter for me…
Beside I think that author of this article should look into ALL Linkin Park songs - NOT ONLY 6 tracks of them…

90 % of the people that I criticize to linkin park in this one Male prostitutes web develop of being fanatics of Hillary Duff and Paris Hilton since they do not know anything of music… Linkin Park is musical you Garbage, they have mas ear(hearing) that Beethoven

90 % of the people that I criticize to linkin park in this one Male prostitutes web develop of being fanatics of Hillary Duff and Paris Hilton since they do not know anything of music… Linkin Park is musical—you Garbage, they have mas ear(hearing) that Beethoven xD bony(osseous) Linkin Park vendio 40.000.000 of discs for producing the same shit? It seems to me that you are the repetitive Clowns

It dosen't metter!

Linkin Park's song are so good!

and that's metter!

"> Stop calling this pop. Pop is BSB, Britney Spears, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_music
> Popular music is classified as “top 40″ in the music world.
http://top40-charts.com/artist.php?aid=10″

A wiki article isn't going to cut it pal. Yes, Linkin Park is popular music, bu unlike the term pop-culture, when pop is used in reference to music, it refers to artists such as BSB and Spears, not just top-40. If you try to refer to Kanye West as pop, you will probably get punched in the face by everyone around you.

The music I like is better than the music you like. You're a douche if you think otherwise.

LOL righteous indignation on the intarnets!

NO!!! All linkin park songs start quiet then loud. thats only the volume/bass mate! the songs are the same style, but totally different, listen to the songs, dont look at the bullshit shapes!!!

I noticed that you didn't take any songs into account from Minutes to Midnight. The songs on that CD are very different from each other as well as their previous CDs. In fact, it had many fans upset because they were expecting something different. I love Linkin Park, their previous albums and their latest.

Great article.

It was perfectly fair and valid.

Linkin Park is mediocre at best, but that's about it.

To all you LP fanboys, tone it down. You're just embarrassing yourself.

And to all you idiot going "I doesnt know Linkin Park only leik had 6 songs lol" - those songs in the articles are fucking examples you stupid shits.

Everything you say to me takes me one step closer to the hedge and im about to rape…

This thread sucks man totally !. why i tell u all bcoz i know LP sounds same on every track but they do songs based on their genre ok its NU METAL. And not every track sounds da same ok. They deserve wat they r right now. Dont just listen da song but see the efforts put in to dat. The VOCALS the RAPPING the DRUMMING the GUITARING and the DJING dat all takes lots of practice u know so keep dat in mind and listen to LINKIN PARK. They give us what we want if u think they r doing wrong then go create ur qwn band FUCKERS. ( reply me on rockrooles@live.in )

This seems like the case with the music industry at large - that's why it's called an industry. The people at the top are usually not musicians - just trained businesspeople who want to make money. Those people found LP, and found a formula. Since the formula sells, according to efficient business practices, they sell more of it to whoever will take it. Since most casual listeners don't worry about creativity in song structure, it goes largely unnoticed in many bands, to my dismay. A lot of music has lost its soul as a result.

All i can really say is, Get fucked.
Although the majority wont agree with me, but if you have nothing better to do then sit there for hours trying to figure out a way for people to dislike Linkin Park, then mate get a life because they are an amazing band and who gives a shit if they "Start out Slow" its the aniticpation, it inspiries people..
Theyre lyrics are all unique, all different in their own way and if you had on creative bone for poetry in your body you would understand but obviously you dont.
Why dont you start a band and see how hard it is HMM.
Yeah didnt think so. Linkin park is the greatest band to live, Exscuse my language but. Seriously man.

First off, yeah, their songs may seem formulaic, almost all songs follow some structure such as this. I find Linkin Park was quite innovative at first. Their "freshness" tapered off somewhat with Meteora (understandably so). I don't really know how to say it any more clearly though, there is a lot worse music out there. Oh and Kate, 'seriously man', Linkin Park is most definitely not the greatest band to live. They are ok. Broaden your horizons. Listen to all forms of music. The only way to truly appreciate an art form is to begin to appreciate art that you don't necessarily enjoy. I just makes you a more open minded person. As my name suggests, I am a Tool fan. Try listening to them and analyzing their lyrics. You will be in for a treat.

Hmmm… Never really noticed it before. I listen to them all the time and never noticed they were near to the same. Well I still like them. Good work work on the report though. Kept me reading.

Yes, they seem to have a pattern. The fact is that this is not necessarily to blame. Myself I found about my band that after a while, we found a pattern for putting songs together (OK, without sounding the same :-) ) but we had something like a football (soccer) formula ;-) we had something like intro, 1xverse, 1xchorus, 1xverse, 1xchorus, 1xguitar solo, 2xchorus,1xoutro
Pretty classic in my opinion, just that it established like this over time. Of course, not every song, but many times we found ourselves doing this. Also it was easy on communication and remembering, we all knew we are :-)

First of all, I want to apologize on behalf of all the LP fans who respond with unintelligent-sounding posts, because they make it seem like EVERYONE who likes LP is an idiot.

I'm apologizing instead of criticizing them because I know a lot of LP's fans are teenagers, who, let's face it, are going through emotional hell and suffering, as seen from a teen's perspective (which is just as valid of emotional hell as anyone else's emotional hell). These kids look to LP's music because it is cathartic to them. Their lyrics are vague for this purpose: to apply to many people's own situations. And that is why many adults like them too. Because they see themselves in the story of the song. The adults just happen to not respond to haters that much because they're older and wiser.

Second, it's pretty unfair to make vast generalizations about ANYTHING. That means you: people who diss ALL LP fans, people who diss ALL LP haters, people who think that if you like Band X you have no taste in music, people who think that if you like Band Y you don't know music theory or music history, people who diss ALL mainstream music, people who diss ALL hippies… i think you get my point. I think it's silly to basically throw a bunch of hate back and forth at each other, instead of discussing the topic seriously. But, then again, we don't live in a perfect world… and most people are hypocrites, myself included.

Yes, LP have overused a very specific pattern in their music. What's worse is that WB Records picked out all the extremely catchy songs to be radio singles. Thus leading to the "they all sound the same," "they're a pop band," "they only know three chords" points about them. I'm not even going to bother touching on the purist vs. genre fusion topic, that is PURELY musical preference. Anyways, LP recognized this pattern and that's why they went in a very different direction on their latest album. There is no repetition of pattern in the new songs, except for Bleed It Out (which has the same song structure but from a very different approach) and What I've Done (which was written as a sort-of bridge between their old sound and their new sound.)

So, just like there will always be people who like reality tv, there will always be people who like Linkin Park. You can trash-talk or you can try to convince them that it's "wrong" but if they REALLY like it, they will defend it and themselves, making your effort a waste of time and energy. Do something constructive. You know, we're trying to have a civilization here.

This article is weak without even MENTIONING other songs they've done. It doesn't even cover all their big hits (In The End?).

Furthermore, there are countless songs that follow this same "look." By itself, this pattern says nothing about a song's quality.

The mp3 is interesting, but the songs are edited a bit. Nickelback's mp3 was a lot more incriminating.

The only valid conclusion I think this article makes is "Linkin Park is commercialized pop music." Boiled down, it's nothing that the average radio listener couldn't tell you.

Fuck, i don't want to read this full of shit comments( respect to those who stayed for the LP ) . Guys from LP wasn't thoughting about the results of tracks alignements and this happened randomly. Fuck are you listening those alignements?! Don't know what a kind people you are.. but I'm listening music. And the second. Their new album (2007) , overbounded my awaitings, this album was better than i thought. And if they wrote new album in "quite" style , that doesn't mean that this album is shit. I explain you guys. First - Chester almost lost his voice chords , Second - In past albums, they was telling about the general problems of growing generation, but here they talking about the general problems of whole world (Take the What I've Done). Guys many years passed. People change , Mind change , Music change finaly!

It's Bull shit al that was said.I disagree!It is not the worst group,but they made their name by working.It is important.I am not Lp fan,but nevertheless I like them.

Ever since i've heard "numb" and "in the end" i've been addicted to Linkin Park. Hybrid Theory and Metemora are the best. And i am sad to say their new album sucks for a Linkin Park album bot in general an ok album. I know a lot of people agree and those who have never liked LP probably are thinking or saying aloud "this proves they've sucked since the beginning".

I know a lot of people who love LP and are addicts like me to their music. Then there are some who think their are way better bands out their.

But in my perception yes some of their songs may seem unpoetics and easy to write/record.But the way it connects to many fans is deeper than it may seem to other people. LP's music reaches to me by pulling and tugging on my hopes,memories, and relality of life and my perception of it. So you may not think LP is any where near great as some people claim, but all I can say besides that they are one of the best to me and "at least they don't create utter garbage and pointless songs and are not one hit wonders or just in it for the money."

Also I would like to point out that yes their songs may be similar sound similar but even they its not a diffrent aproach that you like; each song has a different message. Linkin Park actually talks about real life matters and issues some not all people don't care too see or reason with. Too me Linkin Park is simliar to Nickelback because they tell a story even though Nickelback is far, far different from LP.

Another thing is, if your going to say LP sucks and isn't a great band. Than at least compare and bring up bands, you think is actual music. Don't just curse LP and their fans. Because that makes you like retarded and like a little child who can't even hold up a good defense.

well another band like AC/DC has been doing the same thing..and of course IRON MAIDEN…if you listen to maiden, the songs all revovle around the E/C/D chord structure….whats funny is they have 10+ albums doing the same thing 100 different times, and it still sounds good…lol

If you Mock Lp U obviously don't good music.. i like all genres of music i mean all if its good its good and Lp Are the Best out there m8 !!!! even if they do the same thing thats cos what they do is good and makes good songs.. honeslty i dunt know… maybe u have nout better to do than try and make Linkin Park Look Bad :O!

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Are any of the posters aware of the what this site is and the service Hometracked provides - at no fee - to amateur music producers? Amateur producers need this kind of valuable insight, which should be appreciated, regardless of whether or not the reader agrees with the author.

Unfortunately, the point of the article has been largely missed by readers who apparently think the article is a criticism of one band, rather than a useful analysis for producers and songwriters to incorporate into their own works which are created outside of the big-budget studio system.

Sad that intelligent critical thought cannot be freely shared without fans of one band feeling "dissed".

how many good songs have you written? who are you anyways? theres a reason they became famous. theyre good!!! btw if u judge rap, country, r&b, or artists u'll find the same results they start the same end the same and everything else u said. judge ppl who really deserve bad judgement, like miley cyrus who doesnt write her onw music, doesnt sing her own music, doesnt play her own music, and doesnt even perform her own music!!! linkin park does everything and they rock!!! u suck.

All Linkin Park songs look the same….its bcoz, they have only one genre…thier muzic describe the nature of what they are…

Someone explain how when I listen to Numb and Pushing me away I hear numb in my left ear, and pushing me away in my left. I have headphones. Lol, Still love numb and in the end :P

"It is also the sound of most big arena bands of the 70s, as I recall."

This statement could not be more untrue. The "big arena" bands of the 70s were not pop-culture garbage.

Oh jeez, you're right, Linkin Park always sound the same! That's garbage! I'll stop listening to Linkin Park now!

Do you expect people will write something like this? What's your purpose of writing this? Do you really think people will stop listening to Linkin Park now?

I think you're just jealous of Linkin Park, I can't expect something else from a hater.