Comments on: How the Wall Street Journal hurt indie artists http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/ Home recording and project studio blog Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:54:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: roymond http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-22726 Mon, 05 Nov 2007 00:39:21 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-22726 Well, people who are listening to crappy MP3s (or any bad versions) can't hear the subtleties, as they're simply not there. If you point out how transients sound like crap and then demonstrate how cymbals really sound (or strings, or reverb) most people can hear it, and maybe one day they'll space out and start to listen more intently. With bad source files, however, there's nothing to listen to...no innate upgrade path in the experience. Well, people who are listening to crappy MP3s (or any bad versions) can't hear the subtleties, as they're simply not there. If you point out how transients sound like crap and then demonstrate how cymbals really sound (or strings, or reverb) most people can hear it, and maybe one day they'll space out and start to listen more intently. With bad source files, however, there's nothing to listen to…no innate upgrade path in the experience.

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by: des http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-19897 Wed, 24 Oct 2007 01:11:35 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-19897 > <em>MP3s are dumbing-down audio quality. </em> Ya, that's a fact, no question. I'm not convinced, however, that casual music listeners care all that much. I've done some informal surveys, and most of the non-technical people I test on the issue can't tell the difference between 128K and 192K MP3s. At least, not until I show them what to listen for. But that's kinda the point. I think music appreciation is just like art or literature appreciation: You'll get more from it when you understand the nuances, but you can still enjoy it just fine if you're ignorant to those subtleties. I'm fairly sure that iPod owners who are fine with the stock ear buds are also fine with 128K encoding, because they're not listening to the quality of the music anyway; they're listening to the lyrics and melody. > MP3s are dumbing-down audio quality.

Ya, that's a fact, no question.

I'm not convinced, however, that casual music listeners care all that much.

I've done some informal surveys, and most of the non-technical people I test on the issue can't tell the difference between 128K and 192K MP3s.

At least, not until I show them what to listen for. But that's kinda the point. I think music appreciation is just like art or literature appreciation: You'll get more from it when you understand the nuances, but you can still enjoy it just fine if you're ignorant to those subtleties.

I'm fairly sure that iPod owners who are fine with the stock ear buds are also fine with 128K encoding, because they're not listening to the quality of the music anyway; they're listening to the lyrics and melody.

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by: roymond http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-19797 Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:50:37 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-19797 While I agree with many of your arguments about ptoduction, Des, I'll take the other side a bit, too. MP3s are dumbing-down audio quality. You can't deny this. While some of us work hard to create good music and use 256k, sometimes 192k, most people are accustomed to whatever that song they got from where ever was compressed to....128k is the default setting on most devices. We hated CDs when they came out because the compression sucked. It got better and modern releases are great, for the most part. Then MP3s came on the scene and it was all about portability and "passable" audio quality. Granted, portability is awesome, and I used to buy a cassette now and then in the 70s and 80s (especially when Joshua Tree is such a great album to ski to). But as digital libraries become the norm, I sure hope the defaults move up closer to uncompressed. And I hope little digital amplifiers and earphones keep improving. It used to be that even amateurs dreamed of Klipschorns and a nice tube amp. Maybe they'll tune in again to the nuances that make great music great. While I agree with many of your arguments about ptoduction, Des, I'll take the other side a bit, too. MP3s are dumbing-down audio quality. You can't deny this. While some of us work hard to create good music and use 256k, sometimes 192k, most people are accustomed to whatever that song they got from where ever was compressed to….128k is the default setting on most devices.

We hated CDs when they came out because the compression sucked. It got better and modern releases are great, for the most part. Then MP3s came on the scene and it was all about portability and "passable" audio quality. Granted, portability is awesome, and I used to buy a cassette now and then in the 70s and 80s (especially when Joshua Tree is such a great album to ski to). But as digital libraries become the norm, I sure hope the defaults move up closer to uncompressed. And I hope little digital amplifiers and earphones keep improving. It used to be that even amateurs dreamed of Klipschorns and a nice tube amp. Maybe they'll tune in again to the nuances that make great music great.

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by: des http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-10193 Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:09:32 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-10193 That's a great point: It's not like listeners these days purchase music before they've had a chance to hear it. I don't have figures to back this up, but I'd wager that the only music making any real money today is the most popular of the pop music, and I'd guess in turn it's the music most affected by the engineering practices the WSJ decries. In other words, people have a choice in what they purchase - they can sample before buying it - and they still go ahead and spend money on "ruined" pop music. That's a great point: It's not like listeners these days purchase music before they've had a chance to hear it.

I don't have figures to back this up, but I'd wager that the only music making any real money today is the most popular of the pop music, and I'd guess in turn it's the music most affected by the engineering practices the WSJ decries. In other words, people have a choice in what they purchase - they can sample before buying it - and they still go ahead and spend money on "ruined" pop music.

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by: Duke And Banner http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-9045 Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:34:56 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-9045 MP3's are fine. What really hurting is music with crappy audio, are the commercial "oldies" CD's. I'm sick and tired of audio squelch! Some stupid engineer who's mastering a CD thinks there's too much noise in the original recording and then ends up squelching out all the lower volume passages. It happens all too much. At least with iTunes, I can sample the tracks before buying something that ultimately would make a better frisbee. MP3′s are fine.

What really hurting is music with crappy audio, are the commercial "oldies" CD's.

I'm sick and tired of audio squelch! Some stupid engineer who's mastering a CD thinks there's too much noise in the original recording and then ends up squelching out all the lower volume passages.

It happens all too much. At least with iTunes, I can sample the tracks before buying something that ultimately would make a better frisbee.

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by: des http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-7883 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:27:00 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-7883 ><em> and listeners these days use car stereos at least as much as iPods.</em> Ya, the WSJ completely overlooked that! Heh, I probably could have summed up my whole point with that one sentence. <em>> In the selection of media today’s young people have to choose from, the > WSJ falls at the “only old people read that” end of the spectrum. It doesn’t > exactly have any indie cred.</em> Though, like I mentioned, BoingBoing and Coolfer both linked to the article, at least implying that it <em>might</em> have some credibility. Not to mention the scores of "old" indie artists. Maybe not so much in the rock/pop end of the business, but think of all the jazz, blues, and classical musicians who've reached new listeners via mp3s and iPods. > <em>Apparently audio engineering is another field they should avoid writing about.</em> Hear, hear! > and listeners these days use car stereos at least as much as iPods.

Ya, the WSJ completely overlooked that! Heh, I probably could have summed up my whole point with that one sentence.

> In the selection of media today’s young people have to choose from, the
> WSJ falls at the “only old people read that” end of the spectrum. It doesn’t
> exactly have any indie cred.

Though, like I mentioned, BoingBoing and Coolfer both linked to the article, at least implying that it might have some credibility.

Not to mention the scores of "old" indie artists. Maybe not so much in the rock/pop end of the business, but think of all the jazz, blues, and classical musicians who've reached new listeners via mp3s and iPods.

> Apparently audio engineering is another field they should avoid writing about.

Hear, hear!

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by: And He Blogs » links for 2007-09-16 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-7826 Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:25:08 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-7826 [...] How the Wall Street Journal hurt indie artists - Hometracked (tags: music mp3 mixing) convert this post to pdf. [...] […] How the Wall Street Journal hurt indie artists - Hometracked (tags: music mp3 mixing) convert this post to pdf. […]

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by: Inside Home Recording » Loudness and iPods http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-7368 Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:19:36 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-7368 [...] Hometracked has a nice rebuttal to a recent Wall Street Journal article about how iPods and MP3s are supposedly making engineers and producers mix lousy recordings in order to accommodate data compression and little earbuds. My favourite quote: [...] […] Hometracked has a nice rebuttal to a recent Wall Street Journal article about how iPods and MP3s are supposedly making engineers and producers mix lousy recordings in order to accommodate data compression and little earbuds. My favourite quote: […]

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by: Bror http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-7136 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:16:49 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-7136 maybe we should all "share our thoughts" with Gome... you can contact him below the article ;) maybe we should all "share our thoughts" with Gome… you can contact him below the article ;)

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by: Michael Moncur http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-7111 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:09:51 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/09/14/how-the-wall-street-journal-hurt-indie-artists/#comment-7111 Wow, that WSJ article is downright bizarre. I think just about every mixing engineer these days is using a bunch of "reference platforms" ranging from thousand-dollar monitor speakers to a monophonic TV speaker, and listeners these days use car stereos at least as much as iPods. This just seems like another "iPod scare" article to me. They seem to publish one every couple of weeks - an editor tells a writer, "Write me something scary about iPods," and we get things like crime waves targeting white earbuds, iPods making children lose their hearing, or this nonsense. I doubt it will hurt indie artists, though. In the selection of media today's young people have to choose from, the WSJ falls at the "only old people read that" end of the spectrum. It doesn't exactly have any indie cred. I create and manage web sites for a living, and I'm always amazed at how utterly wrong mainstream publications like WSJ and CNN can be when they start talking about the internet. Apparently audio engineering is another field they should avoid writing about. Wow, that WSJ article is downright bizarre. I think just about every mixing engineer these days is using a bunch of "reference platforms" ranging from thousand-dollar monitor speakers to a monophonic TV speaker, and listeners these days use car stereos at least as much as iPods.

This just seems like another "iPod scare" article to me. They seem to publish one every couple of weeks - an editor tells a writer, "Write me something scary about iPods," and we get things like crime waves targeting white earbuds, iPods making children lose their hearing, or this nonsense.

I doubt it will hurt indie artists, though. In the selection of media today's young people have to choose from, the WSJ falls at the "only old people read that" end of the spectrum. It doesn't exactly have any indie cred.

I create and manage web sites for a living, and I'm always amazed at how utterly wrong mainstream publications like WSJ and CNN can be when they start talking about the internet. Apparently audio engineering is another field they should avoid writing about.

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