Comments on: Arrangement and Copyright in Pop Music http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/ Home recording and project studio blog Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:13:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Slim Dude http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/comment-page-1/#comment-86227 Slim Dude Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:54:12 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/#comment-86227 Hey, didn't know you were Canadian until I saw the reference to Michael Geist. You make some great points in this article. Hey, didn’t know you were Canadian until I saw the reference to Michael Geist.

You make some great points in this article.

]]> By: Marc http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/comment-page-1/#comment-56417 Marc Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:56:19 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/#comment-56417 very good..... there is another song that it was in as well, elvis presley's "viva las vegas" during the chorus, its a fill that is played really fast and in a different key... very good…..

there is another song that it was in as well, elvis presley’s “viva las vegas”

during the chorus, its a fill that is played really fast and in a different key…

]]> By: des http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/comment-page-1/#comment-56079 des Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:47:45 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/#comment-56079 > <em>what other song was it?</em> Albert King's "As the Years Go Passing By" (see http://www.blender.com/guide/articles.aspx?id=1976) <hr /> Also, it's a few months old, but I missed michael's comment originally: > <em> if you admitted to realising you have a song that sounds like arcade fire, i > just hope you dont make it big so you dont get sued, or worse encourage > more people to steal music.</em> As Jack noted above, you definitely missed my point. I didn't "steal" the melody. Rather, I realized after I'd recorded that part of my melody was similar to an existing song. That these are two different, unrelated circumstances is the <em>real</em> issue, but that's lost on many folks who don't understand music production. > what other song was it?

Albert King’s “As the Years Go Passing By” (see http://www.blender.com/guide/articles.aspx?id=1976)

Also, it’s a few months old, but I missed michael’s comment originally:
> if you admitted to realising you have a song that sounds like arcade fire, i
> just hope you dont make it big so you dont get sued, or worse encourage
> more people to steal music.

As Jack noted above, you definitely missed my point.

I didn’t “steal” the melody. Rather, I realized after I’d recorded that part of my melody was similar to an existing song.

That these are two different, unrelated circumstances is the real issue, but that’s lost on many folks who don’t understand music production.

]]> By: Marc http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/comment-page-1/#comment-55990 Marc Thu, 29 May 2008 20:14:28 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/#comment-55990 personally, i do not believe that she intentionally stole the line from the song. however, i am sure that she heard it at some point in her life, and it was ingrained in her memory, and unconsciously came out when writing this song. is this a crime? absolutely not. to be honest, you can probably take ever song ever written, dissect it, and find the inspiration for the songs. on another note, the opening riff in layla (duane allman wrote the riff) was taken from another song (duane admitted this in an old interview, unfortunately i do not have at hand right now. he was actually the first person to bring it up). what other song was it? personally, i do not believe that she intentionally stole the line from the song. however, i am sure that she heard it at some point in her life, and it was ingrained in her memory, and unconsciously came out when writing this song. is this a crime? absolutely not. to be honest, you can probably take ever song ever written, dissect it, and find the inspiration for the songs.

on another note, the opening riff in layla (duane allman wrote the riff) was taken from another song (duane admitted this in an old interview, unfortunately i do not have at hand right now. he was actually the first person to bring it up). what other song was it?

]]> By: Jack http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/comment-page-1/#comment-55777 Jack Fri, 16 May 2008 16:24:20 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/#comment-55777 i have never heard these two songs (and the video seems to have since been deleted) but i think michael is missing the point, which for me is that there is one of two outcomes here: 1) the song was intentionally ripped off. how unusual is this? look at rap music. actually, you learn to expect this from most mtv-pop music anyway. so from this perspective, it's just another example of plagiarism among many in the name of making money. (ps what makes you trust harrison over lavigne?) 2) the song wasn't intentionally ripped off. this is far more problematic. given the parameters of tonal music are so limited and as time progresses more and more songs will have been written, it's inevitable that some sort of repetition has to start occurring at some point - and it does: 145, 1465, 251 etc. the question is, if i write a song that uses some particular musical device which has previously been used, and then profiteer from it, who can now potentially sue me as a result, and what are their chances of success? actually, i kinda hope it cycles around and the improvisers start making all the money again. where's the value in recorded music anymore? i have never heard these two songs (and the video seems to have since been deleted) but i think michael is missing the point, which for me is that there is one of two outcomes here:

1) the song was intentionally ripped off. how unusual is this? look at rap music. actually, you learn to expect this from most mtv-pop music anyway. so from this perspective, it’s just another example of plagiarism among many in the name of making money. (ps what makes you trust harrison over lavigne?)

2) the song wasn’t intentionally ripped off. this is far more problematic. given the parameters of tonal music are so limited and as time progresses more and more songs will have been written, it’s inevitable that some sort of repetition has to start occurring at some point – and it does: 145, 1465, 251 etc. the question is, if i write a song that uses some particular musical device which has previously been used, and then profiteer from it, who can now potentially sue me as a result, and what are their chances of success?

actually, i kinda hope it cycles around and the improvisers start making all the money again. where’s the value in recorded music anymore?

]]> By: michael http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/comment-page-1/#comment-52528 michael Mon, 17 Mar 2008 09:26:03 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/07/30/arrangement-and-copyright-in-pop-music/#comment-52528 being a musician/songwriter/singer etc it is my opinion avril clearly stole the song. the chorus' are identical. just coz they changed the key doesnt change the fact that its theft. and if you admitted to realising you have a song that sounds like arcade fire, i just hope you dont make it big so you dont get sued, or worse encourage more people to steal music. id go as fas as to say this worse than the chiffons v george harrison, because at least in that case harrison didnt know he was nicking the melody, where this song is identical. being a musician/songwriter/singer etc it is my opinion avril clearly stole the song. the chorus’ are identical. just coz they changed the key doesnt change the fact that its theft.

and if you admitted to realising you have a song that sounds like arcade fire, i just hope you dont make it big so you dont get sued, or worse encourage more people to steal music.

id go as fas as to say this worse than the chiffons v george harrison, because at least in that case harrison didnt know he was nicking the melody, where this song is identical.

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