Comments on: The RIAA is not evil http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/ Home recording and project studio blog Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:48:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Cpt Nugget http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-58360 Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:42:40 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-58360 These are good points. des is right that corporate entities and their agents can't be "expected" to follow any but their own self-interest, and that if their actions are unsavory, then the limits and rights involved in copyright law need changing. I'd like to add a couple more points: some of the frustration with the RIAA and its corporate members are that their actions are clearly *not* in their best interest: "piracy" remains common, CD sales are down and customer goodwill is at an all-time low. It's hard to swallow an argument that their fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders requires them to sue their customers, when the long-term consequences of that are not clearly in their interests. Another is that people often don't understand the origin and purpose of copyright protections. Copyright protections are not intended to protect some vague moral "right" creators have over their works; they are a trade-off offered by the public: in return for copyright protections, the expectation is that that will encourage the creation of books, music and other protectable works. In other words, copyright balances the detriment and benefit to the public only; it does not balance the "rights" of a creator with the "rights" of a consumer. If evidence shows that freely sharing music is something the public wants to be able to do, then it is incumbent to change the law, not the public. These are good points. des is right that corporate entities and their agents can't be "expected" to follow any but their own self-interest, and that if their actions are unsavory, then the limits and rights involved in copyright law need changing.

I'd like to add a couple more points: some of the frustration with the RIAA and its corporate members are that their actions are clearly *not* in their best interest: "piracy" remains common, CD sales are down and customer goodwill is at an all-time low. It's hard to swallow an argument that their fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders requires them to sue their customers, when the long-term consequences of that are not clearly in their interests.

Another is that people often don't understand the origin and purpose of copyright protections. Copyright protections are not intended to protect some vague moral "right" creators have over their works; they are a trade-off offered by the public: in return for copyright protections, the expectation is that that will encourage the creation of books, music and other protectable works.

In other words, copyright balances the detriment and benefit to the public only; it does not balance the "rights" of a creator with the "rights" of a consumer. If evidence shows that freely sharing music is something the public wants to be able to do, then it is incumbent to change the law, not the public.

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by: Walter http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-58290 Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:30:15 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-58290 In your response to "Myth: The RIAA uses illegal tactics" you link an article entitled: "Court: RIAA lawsuit strategy illegal". It's like you provided proof that your argument is wrong. You can say all their tactics are not illegal, but as you proved your self, it's not a myth that they have used illegal tactics, the courts have stated so. While it's fairly obvious that "evil" is an emotional overstatement, a more accurate accusation would be to say they are amoral (like all monetary driven groups), unethical (arguable, but correct imo), and totally ruthless. But the simple fact of the matter being considered "evil" by the average citizen is the price for their actions (suing little old ladies, young children, and the descendants of dead people). They are choosing to take on the PR cost, trying to help them deflect the price for their actions, is not something people should do imo. But it is just my opinion. In your response to "Myth: The RIAA uses illegal tactics" you link an article entitled: "Court: RIAA lawsuit strategy illegal". It's like you provided proof that your argument is wrong. You can say all their tactics are not illegal, but as you proved your self, it's not a myth that they have used illegal tactics, the courts have stated so.

While it's fairly obvious that "evil" is an emotional overstatement, a more accurate accusation would be to say they are amoral (like all monetary driven groups), unethical (arguable, but correct imo), and totally ruthless. But the simple fact of the matter being considered "evil" by the average citizen is the price for their actions (suing little old ladies, young children, and the descendants of dead people). They are choosing to take on the PR cost, trying to help them deflect the price for their actions, is not something people should do imo. But it is just my opinion.

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by: Christopher Shyu http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-2183 Tue, 24 Jul 2007 03:27:15 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-2183 When you buy a CD you're supporting TERROR! Fight Back! FILE SHARE! Musicians barely see a fucking dime if someone buys their CD thanks to the retarded RIAA. The labels take all of it that's why artists are dependant on concerts and the merchandising. Don't buy fucking Albums. Don't support these fat cunts, go to a concert or something. And when you download music use an instant-crashable hard drive and a revolving IP so these cunts can never track you down and even if they do SUE THEIR RETARDED FUCKING ASSES FOR CAUSING MENTAL DISTRESS. Bring the predatorial bastards down. When you buy a CD you're supporting TERROR!

Fight Back! FILE SHARE!

Musicians barely see a fucking dime if someone buys their CD thanks to the retarded RIAA. The labels take all of it that's why artists are dependant on concerts and the merchandising. Don't buy fucking Albums. Don't support these fat cunts, go to a concert or something.

And when you download music use an instant-crashable hard drive and a revolving IP so these cunts can never track you down and even if they do SUE THEIR RETARDED FUCKING ASSES FOR CAUSING MENTAL DISTRESS. Bring the predatorial bastards down.

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by: des http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-251 Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:12:23 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-251 <strong>JY:</strong> I think you're right about that. But I also suspect that they wouldn't have <em>nearly</em> the visibility that they do now. That doesn't make their strategy correct, of course. It's just one measure of success. <strong>Casey:</strong> I agree, and I touched on it here: http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/05/big-label-problems-opportunities-for-indie-artists/ I hope indie artists read the article above, and realize that the consumer backlash to the RIAA's tactics present some amazing opportunities for us. We should be looking to capitalize on them (while keeping our disdain for the big labels in check.) JY: I think you're right about that. But I also suspect that they wouldn't have nearly the visibility that they do now. That doesn't make their strategy correct, of course. It's just one measure of success.

Casey: I agree, and I touched on it here: http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/05/big-label-problems-opportunities-for-indie-artists/

I hope indie artists read the article above, and realize that the consumer backlash to the RIAA's tactics present some amazing opportunities for us. We should be looking to capitalize on them (while keeping our disdain for the big labels in check.)

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by: Casey Collier http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-245 Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:18:38 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-245 The labels and the RIAA attack the Internet,P2P networks, and most digital music because they are losing there grip on the market. Several artists have proven they no longer need a record label to be heard or to become popular. From most accounts piracy is not losing the labels as much as they claim...but the Internet, P2P Networks, and social networks are helping artists realize slowly that record labels are obsolete. The labels and the RIAA attack the Internet,P2P networks, and most digital music because they are losing there grip on the market. Several artists have proven they no longer need a record label to be heard or to become popular. From most accounts piracy is not losing the labels as much as they claim…but the Internet, P2P Networks, and social networks are helping artists realize slowly that record labels are obsolete.

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by: JY http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-240 Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:15:03 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-240 Perhaps "ruthless" would be a better term to use than "evil"? If the RIAA had been more careful, and only went after the clearly egregious infringers, they would have a better reputation. JY Perhaps "ruthless" would be a better term to use than "evil"? If the RIAA had been more careful, and only went after the clearly egregious infringers, they would have a better reputation.

JY

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by: thehipcola.com » Blog Archive » The RIAA is not evil http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-230 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:59:33 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-230 [...] Is the RIAA evil?  I thought so.  However, this great article by Des, at Hometracked, just might have framed the piracy/downloading debate in a different light for me.    Very interesting are the comments after the article….this issue is far from a simple, “artists are getting ripped off, consumers are being villainized” kind of thing.  I really, really encourage you to visit Hometracked to read this, and draw your own conclusions.  It’s a massive issue that is simply not going away anytime soon.  [...] […] Is the RIAA evil?  I thought so.  However, this great article by Des, at Hometracked, just might have framed the piracy/downloading debate in a different light for me.    Very interesting are the comments after the article….this issue is far from a simple, “artists are getting ripped off, consumers are being villainized” kind of thing.  I really, really encourage you to visit Hometracked to read this, and draw your own conclusions.  It’s a massive issue that is simply not going away anytime soon.  […]

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by: des http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-226 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:38:30 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-226 <em>>I think you and Brad hang out with a different crowd than I do > and that you guys are reacting to the tone of that group.</em> Heh, Brad summed his feelings up more succinctly than any of us :) But ya, I think your statement is right on the money. (Rob's comment above speaks directly to that, actually: He's one of the guys that hangs out in my crowd :_) And thanks for the rest of your comment. You've got a unique perspective. "The fraudulent career-ending scam that is the major label deal" should be a book. >I think you and Brad hang out with a different crowd than I do
> and that you guys are reacting to the tone of that group.

Heh, Brad summed his feelings up more succinctly than any of us :)

But ya, I think your statement is right on the money. (Rob's comment above speaks directly to that, actually: He's one of the guys that hangs out in my crowd :_)

And thanks for the rest of your comment. You've got a unique perspective. "The fraudulent career-ending scam that is the major label deal" should be a book.

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by: Brad http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-219 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:28:29 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-219 I just have an aversion to boogeyman scare-generalizing, which the anti-RIAA crowd is happy to engage in when it suits them but of course bitterly hates when the tables are turned. Fudging the facts just to get people riled up really, really bothers me. I just have an aversion to boogeyman scare-generalizing, which the anti-RIAA crowd is happy to engage in when it suits them but of course bitterly hates when the tables are turned. Fudging the facts just to get people riled up really, really bothers me.

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by: Rob http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-217 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:48:23 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2007/02/26/the-riaa-is-not-evil/#comment-217 Awesome article Des. It's reframed my view of the RIAA vs. downloader wars. The tactics are deplorable, but as you said, legal. What we need is better law. And the continued surge of indie music becoming self-sufficient, enough so that major labels really do look at their business models. Which is unlikely anytime soon, as shareholders expect, (and have a right to) bottom-line results. It's a complicated issue....so much more so than many people get, in my experience. Awesome article Des. It's reframed my view of the RIAA vs. downloader wars. The tactics are deplorable, but as you said, legal. What we need is better law. And the continued surge of indie music becoming self-sufficient, enough so that major labels really do look at their business models. Which is unlikely anytime soon, as shareholders expect, (and have a right to) bottom-line results. It's a complicated issue….so much more so than many people get, in my experience.

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