Comments on: Our process for online musical collaboration http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/ Home recording and project studio blog Mon, 12 May 2008 11:33:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Spike http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-53477 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:12:52 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-53477 Cool article on collaboration. I have noticed there are more and more sites out there for collaboration which is pretty cool. Depending however on what type of collaboration you are doing there are limitation with these sites. I have found that some don’t allow bigger WAV file to be uploaded and you can only use MP3. The problem with only allowing MP3 is they don’t sound all that good, especially if you have remixed them a few times. Another problem with some of these sites is your track can be heard by everyone. This is great when you are looking for musicians to collaborate with, but not so cool if you are already working with a group. People can steal a cool riff or idea. There are also very few sites that will allow you to upload .wav or .aiff files over 30meg or so, which depending on your bit rate is about a 3 minute WAV track. I have also tried the real time online jamming and do to the latency their not much fun if you ask me. Some claim they have solved the latency problem, but I am not sure how they broke the laws of physics. Perhaps they transport you, now that would be worth paying for! Currently I have been collaborating with a group on a site called Sarzar.com. We ended up on this site because there is no bull, and they allow uploads of .wav or .aiff file up to 100meg. The site also gives you a lot of storage for your sessions. I believe between the four of us we have something like 4gig. You can also hold completely private sessions, which is great because no one can see or hear your stuff, so you maintain control of your rights. All in all, I think if you are looking just to have fun collaborating with new people, sites like Kompoz are cool. But if you are doing more serious online music collaboration I would check out Starzar. Cool article on collaboration. I have noticed there are more and more sites out there for collaboration which is pretty cool. Depending however on what type of collaboration you are doing there are limitation with these sites. I have found that some don’t allow bigger WAV file to be uploaded and you can only use MP3. The problem with only allowing MP3 is they don’t sound all that good, especially if you have remixed them a few times.

Another problem with some of these sites is your track can be heard by everyone. This is great when you are looking for musicians to collaborate with, but not so cool if you are already working with a group. People can steal a cool riff or idea.

There are also very few sites that will allow you to upload .wav or .aiff files over 30meg or so, which depending on your bit rate is about a 3 minute WAV track.

I have also tried the real time online jamming and do to the latency their not much fun if you ask me. Some claim they have solved the latency problem, but I am not sure how they broke the laws of physics. Perhaps they transport you, now that would be worth paying for!

Currently I have been collaborating with a group on a site called Sarzar.com. We ended up on this site because there is no bull, and they allow uploads of .wav or .aiff file up to 100meg. The site also gives you a lot of storage for your sessions. I believe between the four of us we have something like 4gig. You can also hold completely private sessions, which is great because no one can see or hear your stuff, so you maintain control of your rights.

All in all, I think if you are looking just to have fun collaborating with new people, sites like Kompoz are cool. But if you are doing more serious online music collaboration I would check out Starzar.

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by: rabanito pal pozole » Blog Archive » Desarrollo Iterativo (pero de música) http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-40227 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:33:42 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-40227 [...] Estuve leyendo esta página y me encantó el proceso que describen. Empiezan con una idea y al cabo de algunas iteraciones tienen una super canción. Se trata de una banda virtual con integrantes alrededor del mundo. Una rola grabada caseramente con ayuda de Internet, FTP e e-mail. Revisen la liga, está muy interesante y tiene muestras de los avances como MP3 que se pueden reproducir desde la misma página. [...] […] Estuve leyendo esta página y me encantó el proceso que describen. Empiezan con una idea y al cabo de algunas iteraciones tienen una super canción. Se trata de una banda virtual con integrantes alrededor del mundo. Una rola grabada caseramente con ayuda de Internet, FTP e e-mail. Revisen la liga, está muy interesante y tiene muestras de los avances como MP3 que se pueden reproducir desde la misma página. […]

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by: Kate http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-35126 Sun, 13 Jan 2008 01:07:59 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-35126 Rock and hip hop have collaborated for years. You have some pretty good articles on this sit mate. Good job keep it up aye. =] Rock and hip hop have collaborated for years.
You have some pretty good articles on this sit mate. Good job keep it up aye. =]

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by: Jeremy Lim http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-3053 Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:39:09 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-3053 Had to glance over this article quickly, but I thought I'd point out a site some fellow readers might enjoy - http://jamnow.com It's not solid yet, but you guys might find some new collaborative talent out there! I imagine Ninjam is better though for serious recordings. Cheers! Jeremy, from the Opus Team http://www.projectopus.com Had to glance over this article quickly, but I thought I'd point out a site some fellow readers might enjoy - http://jamnow.com

It's not solid yet, but you guys might find some new collaborative talent out there!

I imagine Ninjam is better though for serious recordings.

Cheers!

Jeremy, from the Opus Team
http://www.projectopus.com

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by: spinmeister http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-1044 Thu, 05 Jul 2007 18:58:12 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-1044 great post! I'm part of a (still rather young) Internet collaboration (Canada/Texas) as well. We haven't met yet. However our collaboration explores a bit of a different twist: A two-way songwriting/recording collaboration followed by many remixes of a wider (and totally open) circle of friends from all over the place. In our case, we are thinking of remixing in a really broad production sense, giving tons of artistic liberty, change the chords, change any parts, add anything, change genres. I look at this kind of remixing as sequential collaboration, which is another way of avoiding ego clashes, ... eehm I mean perfectly reasonable disagreements between always rational fellow music makers :-), since many remixes create many outcomes/versions. You don't like it, you remix it! Some remixes end up being better than the "original", most are at least interesting different takes on a song. I can highly recommend it , remixing as well as being remixed. It's a total rush! If you're curious, the link under my name leads to this collaboration project "a minor theory" (or google for it), however be warned: it's likely way too synth-pop for your ears! Then again you could fix that through a crunchy 6 guitar remix! :-) For our original two-way collaboration we use an internal wiki for some of our work. It's especially useful for lyrics collaboration, since a decent wiki keeps track of versions, so you never really loose a good idea, because it still exists in previous versions. In other ways, we operate similarly to your collab: FTP server, email (mp3's for drafts, wav and/or midi for tracks to be used in the productions. However, instead of using click tracks at the beginning of our audio files, we just have the convention, that wav files always start at a bar boundary. great post! I'm part of a (still rather young) Internet collaboration (Canada/Texas) as well. We haven't met yet.

However our collaboration explores a bit of a different twist: A two-way songwriting/recording collaboration followed by many remixes of a wider (and totally open) circle of friends from all over the place. In our case, we are thinking of remixing in a really broad production sense, giving tons of artistic liberty, change the chords, change any parts, add anything, change genres.

I look at this kind of remixing as sequential collaboration, which is another way of avoiding ego clashes, … eehm I mean perfectly reasonable disagreements between always rational fellow music makers :-), since many remixes create many outcomes/versions. You don't like it, you remix it!

Some remixes end up being better than the "original", most are at least interesting different takes on a song. I can highly recommend it , remixing as well as being remixed. It's a total rush!

If you're curious, the link under my name leads to this collaboration project "a minor theory" (or google for it), however be warned: it's likely way too synth-pop for your ears! Then again you could fix that through a crunchy 6 guitar remix! :-)

For our original two-way collaboration we use an internal wiki for some of our work. It's especially useful for lyrics collaboration, since a decent wiki keeps track of versions, so you never really loose a good idea, because it still exists in previous versions. In other ways, we operate similarly to your collab: FTP server, email (mp3′s for drafts, wav and/or midi for tracks to be used in the productions. However, instead of using click tracks at the beginning of our audio files, we just have the convention, that wav files always start at a bar boundary.

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by: Boltoph http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-545 Fri, 11 May 2007 14:51:08 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-545 Des, I heard that you also created a midi track from Tom's drums, and mixed in samples with his actual recorded drums. Is this true? Des, I heard that you also created a midi track from Tom's drums, and mixed in samples with his actual recorded drums. Is this true?

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by: Boltoph http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-544 Fri, 11 May 2007 14:50:08 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-544 It's also a good idea to name someone you're "chief squabbler". For us, I'm not gonna say who the chief squabbler is . . . could it be me? Could it? Obviously enough, Des is our technical genius, and personally, I'd prefer if Des or Rob mixed all our tracks. It's also a good idea to name someone you're "chief squabbler".

For us, I'm not gonna say who the chief squabbler is . . . could it be me? Could it?

Obviously enough, Des is our technical genius, and personally, I'd prefer if Des or Rob mixed all our tracks.

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by: thehipcola.com » Blog Archive » Gert - Artist of the Day, Tuneflow.com http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-229 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:59:01 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-229 [...] Gert formed when all the members met at songfight!  Tuneflow is a similar competition, only it uses a month long cycle, instead of weekly.   (For a great article about Gert’s internet-based writing and recording process, visit Hometracked.com) It’s cool and everything, but I have beefs with the review system which allocated points to reviewers if the reviewEE thought the review warranted it.  I believe the points could then be cashed in on prizes and merch and stuff.   Coupled with some suspicious voting activity and loop-holes, it appeared that Tuneflow needed some development before it could really be serious.  I don’t mind prizes and dangling carrots, but that changes who will frequent the site, from people looking to improve and share ideas, to people who probably still want those things, but who are primarily interested in getting stuff.  It kind of smells off to me.   Another issue for me is the re-encoding/transmission of submitted tracks to an awfully low bitrate, making any differences in production, and just basic intelligibility and clarity non-existent.  And that was the deal breaker for me.  I have a hard time listening to a piece of music I’ve invested hours into, reduced to 96kbps or whatever bitrate they were using.  [...] […] Gert formed when all the members met at songfight!  Tuneflow is a similar competition, only it uses a month long cycle, instead of weekly.   (For a great article about Gert’s internet-based writing and recording process, visit Hometracked.com) It’s cool and everything, but I have beefs with the review system which allocated points to reviewers if the reviewEE thought the review warranted it.  I believe the points could then be cashed in on prizes and merch and stuff.   Coupled with some suspicious voting activity and loop-holes, it appeared that Tuneflow needed some development before it could really be serious.  I don’t mind prizes and dangling carrots, but that changes who will frequent the site, from people looking to improve and share ideas, to people who probably still want those things, but who are primarily interested in getting stuff.  It kind of smells off to me.   Another issue for me is the re-encoding/transmission of submitted tracks to an awfully low bitrate, making any differences in production, and just basic intelligibility and clarity non-existent.  And that was the deal breaker for me.  I have a hard time listening to a piece of music I’ve invested hours into, reduced to 96kbps or whatever bitrate they were using.  […]

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by: gert » Gert is … http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-228 Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:15:13 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-228 [...] Gert is an experiment in online musical collaboration. [...] […] Gert is an experiment in online musical collaboration. […]

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by: des http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-140 Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:31:20 +0000 http://www.hometracked.com/2006/11/28/online-musical-collaboration/#comment-140 Cheers ri. About the egos, it helps a lot that we've all played in bands before. We know to expect the occasional prima donna moments, and just roll with them. And if I had to give just one suggestion: Make sure you put a person in charge of the mix *ahead* of time, so everyone agrees that person has final say. Then there's no squabbling when differences do arise. (And they will :-|) Cheers ri.

About the egos, it helps a lot that we've all played in bands before. We know to expect the occasional prima donna moments, and just roll with them.

And if I had to give just one suggestion: Make sure you put a person in charge of the mix *ahead* of time, so everyone agrees that person has final say. Then there's no squabbling when differences do arise. (And they will :-|)

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